Nice! Love Gilmour. Kinda seems weird to see him without a guitar though.
jay dubless
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David Gilmour Sings Shakespeare's Sonnet 18
by cantleave inthis is rather wonderful............... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=s8osse7w9fs.
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Proof of Heaven book - anyone read it?
by jay dubless init was released a few months ago.
it is not religious propaganda.
written by dr eben alexander, a neurosurgeon, who went into a coma for a week, and his subsequent journey into the afterlife.
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jay dubless
I was only trying to initiate discussion about the points Dr Eben brought up in his book. Not debate whether NDEs are real or imagined. I never claimed his book is absolute truth. Only that I personally find the Dr and his story credible. So when someone quotes this scientist or that expert, who is in complete disagreement, this can be done to argue almost any viewpoint. If I asked if anyone has read the book "UFO Exopolitics and New World Disorder", by ED V Komareck, is it really necessary to jump in and start to bashing because there are other experts who have a different viewpoint? And as far as absolute truth about an afterlife or not, no one here on this forum, or anywhere else on earth, can have an accurate answer about that for certain, until your personal hourglass runs out of sand. So, if you have read the book, and wish to discuss specifics, that would be great. If you haven't read it, and don't care to, nobody is twisting your arm.
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Proof of Heaven book - anyone read it?
by jay dubless init was released a few months ago.
it is not religious propaganda.
written by dr eben alexander, a neurosurgeon, who went into a coma for a week, and his subsequent journey into the afterlife.
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jay dubless
Anthony Mouse, did you read the book? You didn't say so. And who said he is an expert? You sound like a JW instructing us not to read, let alone evaluate, any outside material. Sheesh. There seems to be a lot of residual effect of being in the Society around here. And I am not asking scientists, I am asking ex JWs. Next please.
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Proof of Heaven book - anyone read it?
by jay dubless init was released a few months ago.
it is not religious propaganda.
written by dr eben alexander, a neurosurgeon, who went into a coma for a week, and his subsequent journey into the afterlife.
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jay dubless
So true that one can't prove such a journey to be true. You have to believe him, or not. I had to re-read the 3 chapters about the 3 different realms several times to try and really get ahold on it. Ruderedhead, just read those specific chapters again and see what you think. But the chapters are short, and it's an easy read. I think the concept of not having a body is very foreign to most of us. The point he made about having 360 degree vision was outstanding. I never imagined that. As far as the terms he used; earthworm's eye view, gateway, core, om...he had to come up with something, since there were no welcome signs.
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Proof of Heaven book - anyone read it?
by jay dubless init was released a few months ago.
it is not religious propaganda.
written by dr eben alexander, a neurosurgeon, who went into a coma for a week, and his subsequent journey into the afterlife.
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jay dubless
Cofty, sounds like you are still letting others do your thinking for you. Didn't we abandon that principal when we left the Society?
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Proof of Heaven book - anyone read it?
by jay dubless init was released a few months ago.
it is not religious propaganda.
written by dr eben alexander, a neurosurgeon, who went into a coma for a week, and his subsequent journey into the afterlife.
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jay dubless
A lot of pre-judging going on already. Please only jump in if you have read the book. Sir 82: his mind was off, non-functional. His spirit took the journey. Dig? Read the book, if you choose, then discuss. There is also a youtube version, if you don't like to read.
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Proof of Heaven book - anyone read it?
by jay dubless init was released a few months ago.
it is not religious propaganda.
written by dr eben alexander, a neurosurgeon, who went into a coma for a week, and his subsequent journey into the afterlife.
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jay dubless
It was released a few months ago. It is not religious propaganda. Written by Dr Eben Alexander, a neurosurgeon, who went into a coma for a week, and his subsequent journey into the afterlife. As a brain surgeon, he previously believed that any consciousness after the brain was dead was impossible. Because his neocranium was "off", not even dreaming was possible. Since he had no recollection of earth, himself, or his past, there was nothing to "pull him back", and he went deeper than anyone else on record. So it is written from a scientific standpoint. I've given away a few copies, and passed my own along to close friends. We enjoy discussing it. I feel his story is credible. Anyone else read it?
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New member says hey
by jay dubless ini have lurked now and then, just decided to join.. my older brother and i were raised by our jw mom, but our dad was a non-practicing catholic.
so we went to the hall, but were considered "weak" witnesses, since our family still celebrated xmas and birthdays, to appease my dad i suppose.
as a kid, i loved these holidays.. anyways, when my brother was 17 (i was 13), he spent a few weeks with our cousins in ky, who are all gung-ho j-dubs, and upon his return, he decided he was going to be more "theocratic".
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Quiet One, thanks for the link. I didn't know God is a female...as one girl posted.lol. I can't begin another post until tomorrow. There is so much about these NDE experiences that they share in common. Why I am pointing folks to Dr Alexander's book, Proof of Heaven, is because he went much deeper into the afterlife than anyone else on record, due to his neocranium being shut down, making dreams impossible, and he having no recollection or memory of who he was, or where he came from, there was no desire to come back. And because he himself is a brain surgeon, who did not believe in any consciousness after death, makes it even more remarkable. Anyways, I'll hold back until I can make a new post. I've given copies of it to my children, and shared my copy with some close friends.
I made a comment to my brother before he cut me off, saying that I am hoping the Society sees "new light" on the horribly destructive practice of shunning. Like I said, I don't hold anything against him. It's just one religion's believe that they are doing the right thing. There was only one Jesus, but how many religions are there that claim to have him as their founder? 30,000? And they all believe that theirs is the only one that's right. Some are high control groups, others not so much. That's why all I need is the Bible (not the NW Translation though), Jah, and Jesus in my claim to be a Believer. Take Joseph Smith. When he died (murdered), four different religions came out of that. All claim Smith as their founder. The same is true for Pastor Russell...four religions came out of that, all claiming Russell as their founder. Judge Rutherford had the largest following of those. The Mormon history is a lot more interesting than the JW history though. A good biography written by a non-Mormon, with a non judgemental view, is Joseph Smith, by Robert V Remini. What a story! Sorry if I am wandering off topic. My mind is busy these days.
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New member says hey
by jay dubless ini have lurked now and then, just decided to join.. my older brother and i were raised by our jw mom, but our dad was a non-practicing catholic.
so we went to the hall, but were considered "weak" witnesses, since our family still celebrated xmas and birthdays, to appease my dad i suppose.
as a kid, i loved these holidays.. anyways, when my brother was 17 (i was 13), he spent a few weeks with our cousins in ky, who are all gung-ho j-dubs, and upon his return, he decided he was going to be more "theocratic".
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jay dubless
Thanks y'all. I hold no animosity towards my brother. He is sticking to his convictions. he gave up his right to independent thought many years ago. He doesn't even feel like he is being controlled, or is controlling others. Sheesh!We all know the Org is not the absolute truth, which they believe they have a patent on. Unfortunately, he is not open to debate any issue whatsoever. Which I knew all along. I just had to finally make my stand known, that I believe in my God-given right of independent thought. I accused him of being narrow minded, told him he dismisses the experiences of others too easily, and that I cannot be a member of any high-control group. Oh well. My parents would turn over in their graves if they knew the current situation. As far as '75 goes, literally every JW not only believed it, but the level of excitement and anticipation was unlike any other time in the Org's history. It was a "sure thing"! Of course, the Org never accepts any responsibility for any failed doctrine. I told my brother, if they had only stuck to studying the scriptures, instead of getting involved with and destroying so many families, they would have retained a lot more members. Ironically, the issue that I complained the most about to him, shunning, has resulted in my own shunning. Good grief! I am going to start another thread about Dr Alexander's book. It is not religious propaganda whatsoever. It is about his own journey into the afterlife, after going into a deep coma. He is a neurosurgeon who got bacteria meningitis, and was near death for 7 days. It is a very recent book, and if anyone is curious about "what's next", from someone who has been there, it's a must read. And only about 175 pages.
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New member says hey
by jay dubless ini have lurked now and then, just decided to join.. my older brother and i were raised by our jw mom, but our dad was a non-practicing catholic.
so we went to the hall, but were considered "weak" witnesses, since our family still celebrated xmas and birthdays, to appease my dad i suppose.
as a kid, i loved these holidays.. anyways, when my brother was 17 (i was 13), he spent a few weeks with our cousins in ky, who are all gung-ho j-dubs, and upon his return, he decided he was going to be more "theocratic".
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I have lurked now and then, just decided to join.
My older brother and I were raised by our JW mom, but our dad was a non-practicing Catholic. So we went to the Hall, but were considered "weak" witnesses, since our family still celebrated Xmas and birthdays, to appease my dad I suppose. As a kid, I loved these holidays.
Anyways, when my brother was 17 (I was 13), he spent a few weeks with our cousins in KY, who are all gung-ho J-dubs, and upon his return, he decided he was going to be more "theocratic". He announced that he wouldn't celebrate Xmas or birthdays anymore. My dad was bummed, as was I. At this point, my brother was a changed guy. Super-theocratic. As for me, I didn't want any of my schoolmates or neighborhood friends to know that I was a JW. But, I did get a bit more theocratic myself, for a few years anyway.
Well, at age 14, I got baptised, and when I was 16, I vacation pioneered for one month in the summer. Where I lived (SE MI), the JW teens had a tremedous social scene, with parties and get togethers, softball games, ping pong, etc a big part of the scene. We all knew each other, even from different congregations on the other side of the city. Then after one circuit assembly, around 1968, there was an afterparty planned, but the Circuit Servant, Dennis Bennett, heard about it. His closet gestapo persona arose, and he announced that "there will be no party" in his closing remarks. Man, were we bummed. What a control freak. Does anyone remember him? He would have looked stunning in an SS officers uniform.
I moved out of state at age 20, chasing a girl, foregoing higher education of course, and learned a technical trade, which is still my profession (I am 60 now). Where I moved to, I just didn't find very many of the j-dubs very likeable. Self-righteousness was much more evident. After 1975 came and passed, I started to think for myself more, and I dropped out at age 24, in 1976. My brother tried to get me to come back to the Hall, but I just told him that I was not religiously inclined at this point in my life. I never spoke out against the Org, in the hopes of retaining a good relationship with my brother, and my mom's side of the family. It was half-hearted on my brother's part, at best. He only would communicate (mostly all emails) in the hopes that someday I would return to "the truth". As for my cousins, I was now considered the black sheep of the family.
My brother was appointed elder at age 21. He is the presiding overseer in his congregation. He turned down a scholarship when he was 18, to be an architect, in order to pioneer. He is retired now from a menial task job he had his whole adult life. In fact, he quit his job in 1974, losing his seniority from 1968, in order to prepare for Armageddon (stay alive til '75!).
Last week, he mentioned that his sister in law is going in for brain surgery, so I asked him that if she by chance has a NDE (near death experience), and recovers, I would like to hear about that. Well, that set him off. He sent me PDFs from the WT, said that any such experiences are likely demon influence, etc. I responded that he should read the book, Proof of Heaven, by Dr Eben Alexander. I then spilled the beans, and told him I left because I disagree with several doctrines: shunning; and that JWs are the only ones who are going to "make it". I said that I don't need any earthly religion to maintain a relationship with Jah, that I try to live a good life, in accordance with the 10 commandments, treat me friends and family well. He accused me of visiting apostate websites, and said he would be withdrawing fellowship, since he puts Jehovah and his people before family. What irked me, is that his final letter was a PDF attachment. As if it could be viewed by outsiders, used against me in who knows what fashion. Since I disassociated myself 36 years ago, I tried to hold onto my relationship with him, but it appears to be over now. I don't hold any animosity towards him. I read Crisis of C, and am now reading In Search of CF, and find Brother Franzs' writings to be very satisfying at this point in life. What a fine man he was, and a fine example of an actual Christian.
The good part: I've got 2 old friends (brothers) from my youth, who also dropped out along the way, who I still communicate with, they of course know my brother, and we have a lot in common to talk about. One of them went on to get his PhD. These are fine men now, and we discuss spiritual matters sometimes, and it is always uplifting. "Where there are 2 or more in discussion, there I am amongst you". Or something along those lines. Sorry for being long winded.